Interview mit Dr. Mark Hyman
Mit großer Freude präsentiere ich Ihnen hier ein Interview mit Dr. Mark Hyman, Autor verschiedener Bücher, darunter auch “The Blood Sugar Solution” – den New York Times Bestseller. Dr. Hyman praktiziert Functional Medicine.
Dieses Interview fand anlässlich des internationalen “Tapping World Summit 2014″ statt, an dem weltweit bereits über 500 000 Menschen teilnehmen. Dieser Event stellt eine absolute Innovation dar, denn anerkannte Wissenschaftler und Experten bekennen sich zu den Wirkungen der energetischen Psychologie und EFT.
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Dr. Hyman fand seinen Weg ebenfalls, wie viele andere, über eine schwere Krankheit zu der Functional Medicine. Sein Bericht erinnert mich an meine Arbeit in der Body in Balance Clinic, in der wir bereits vor 25 Jahren ganzheitliche Methoden anwandten, die Befreiung von vielen Krankheiten brachten .
Ich wünsche auch Ihnen viel Freude mit den Inhalten dieses spannenden Interviews!
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Nick: Hi everybody, welcome back. This is the second video in the Tapping World Summit warm-up prelaunch series, getting ready for the main Tapping World Summit coming up on February 4th, 2014. I’m so delighted to be here up in Massachusetts at the home of somebody that I’ve followed and admired for so many years, my dear friend Dr. Mark Hyman.
You’ve probably heard of Mark. You might have seen him on 60 Minutes, the Dr. Oz Show, Larry King, the list is a mile long. You might have also read some of his books. We’ve got the Blood Sugar Solution here, his latest book which was the fourth New York Times bestseller he’s written. Congratulations on that.
Nick: Okay. You’ve got to update your bio.
Mark: I know.
Nick: So Blood Sugar Solution, the fifth one. He’s testified in front of Congress out there in the world, doing great things spreading this message of health. What I love about Mark is that not only is he a friend, he’s my personal doctor, he’s just the doctor with the biggest heart that I’ve ever seen. I think that translates into his work. I’m so excited to be here with you today. Thanks, Mark.
Nick: Before we started rolling we were talking about the time that you spent in India just recently. You just got back.
Mark: I just got back, yeah.
Nick: It brought me to think about this idea of East versus West. We have Western medicine, which is doctors, doctors, surgery, pills. Then we have the East which is other forms, acupuncture, energy, just a different approach, herbs. It often feels like there’s such a separation between the two and that one is right and the other one is wrong, from each side’s perspective. One of the things that I love about you is that I think you’re sort of bridging that gap. Tell me a little bit about functional medicine, which is what you practice, and how that’s different from what people are used to hearing from doctors.
Mark: You bring up a really interesting point about Eastern/Western medicine. As a matter of fact, the reason I ended up getting into functional medicine was because I was predisposed to thinking about the body as a system from my study of Chinese and Chinese medicine when I was in college.
Nick: So you did that first.
Mark: I did that first. I went to China. I lived in China for a year and I studied a way of thinking that was quite different, that understood the connections and the patterns and the dynamic way in which the body works. When I went to medical school it was very reductionist, it was very focused on symptoms and diagnoses and treatments with medication and surgery. It didn’t really create an integrated picture of how the body breaks down and how you can create health.
I came upon functional medicine through getting sick myself. It was through discovering the path to my own wellness through a horrible disease of chronic fatigue that I discovered this model of thinking called functional medicine.
It’s not a different treatment or a modality or a test or a supplement. It’s a way of thinking about how the body works. It’s ironic now that I’m going back to China in two months to teach our training course in functional medicine to hundreds of Chinese doctors.
Nick: They’re going to be very receptive I’m sure.
Mark: Yeah, they’re going to be very receptive. It’s also interesting, because they’ve also gone to the Western model, realizing that doesn’t really work. It works for infectious disease.
I came back from India. People have diarrhea and they have respiratory illnesses and they have infections. Those things need Western treatment and they need basic simple hygiene. I said to them the real treatment isn’t doctors. The real treatment is hygiene, flush toilets and hot water and taking a shower. That was the biggest medical treatment I did there was teach the kids at the orphanage to take a shower twice a week and wash their hands before they ate and not cough on each other, do not sleep together and giving them blankets so they wouldn’t all be sleeping together and passing their fungus back and forth.
Nick: Got it.
Mark: So very simple ideas. For me the seed was there, my understanding of Eastern thinking. When I got sick I realized that what I’ve learned in medical school wasn’t really helpful in having me solve this puzzle of chronic illness. I went to doctor after doctor, I got pill after pill and everything broke down. My system didn’t work. I couldn’t think. I couldn’t focus. I couldn’t remember. I couldn’t sleep. My digestion didn’t work. I had terrible chronic diarrhea. I had muscle and joint pain. I had terrible rashes. I had sores on my tongue.
I had just horrible symptoms. My liver function test read normal. My inflammatory markers were elevated. My blood count was depressed. I had all sorts of weird, strange things that no one could kind of figure out.
Nick: Yeah, the mystery disease kind of thing that we see a lot.
Mark: Yeah, the mystery illness. What it forced me to do was to understand everything about how the body breaks down and how it works. In that process I discovered some amazing thinkers like Dr. Jeffrey Bland and Linus Pauling, Sidney Baker, some of my teachers and mentors who were mapping out a different way of connecting the dots.
What they had done was fascinating. They had taken all of the existing research about the way things work in the body, and they reorganized it into a different sort of structure of thinking about how the body works and how it breaks down. They basically connected the dots.
You’ve got all these researchers and all these people themselves and nobody talks to each other. They took a 30,000 foot view and they said, “How does everything really work?” So functional medicine is a way of thinking about how everything’s connected. It’s a roadmap. It’s a way of navigating through the puzzle of chronic disease.
We have so much of it here. We have not only obesity-related diseases like diabetes, what I call diabesity, heart disease, dementia, stroke, cancer, high blood pressure. But we have all these other diseases that are also related to lifestyle and environment like autoimmune diseases, allergic diseases, digestion disorders that affect millions and millions of people.
The combination of our poor diet, our industrial process diet, lack of exercise and chronic stress, all three of those things are the trifecta that lead to chronic disease. You add on top of all that environmental toxins and you’ve got a real witch’s brew for causing chronic disease.
Nick: I want to go back to the idea, because I think people lose track of infectious diseases. As you mentioned, this is where Western medicine comes in amazingly. Then these chronic diseases. People go drugs or bad or drugs are good. This is bad or that’s good. How do people make the distinction of do they need to see a doctor for what they’re faced with, do they need to see a functional medicine doctor?
Mark: I think in the future every doctor is going to be a functional medicine doctor because it’s the science of systems biology and systems medicine, which is what everything that’s going on in science right now. It takes about 10 to 20 years for what we know in science to be actually coming into practice. We’re missing out on a lot of that right now. But in 20 years everybody will be thinking this way and doing this kind of medicine.
It’s applicable to any problem because it’s simply asking a question, what’s the cause? What is the cause? What is the root? If the cause is an infection you need an antibiotic. I have a patient with chronic fatigue today that had a chronic virus with HHV-6. She needed a special antiviral medication. I also do things to help boost her immune system. I work on multiple levels at the same time, getting rid of the thing that’s causing a problem, whether it’s a toxin, an allergen, an infection, a stress or poor diet and putting in the things that body needs to thrive which is real food and the right nutrients and management of stress and sleep and rhythm, exercise, connection, love. All these are the really raw materials, the ingredients, for creating health.
Nick: You mentioned chronic stress, which I think – it’s my opinion this is where tapping comes in. We’ll talk about that in a second. But it’s my opinion that chronic stress is one of the things that people acknowledge very quickly, like doctors will say, “Oh yeah, stress affects the body.”
Mark: But here, take this drug.
Nick: But here, take this drug. It’s just pushed to the side. I don’t think that most people, because I found that in myself, really recognize the toll that chronic stress – there’s a difference between the acute stress of something happens in your life, fight or flight, you get to respond, and the chronic stress of every single day waking up in the morning with your heart racing or anxiety and going to sleep upset and dealing with all these things. Talk to me about chronic stress in the body.
Mark: It’s an enormous problem because we’re now more than every inundated with things that stress our nervous system. We don’t realize from a biological point of view that we’re in the 21st century, that we’re safe, that we’re not threatened by tigers and lions. I was in Bhutan trekking and there were –
Nick: There were tigers and lions there. There it’s okay to be a little stressed.
Mark: When I went at night to go to the bathroom I was a little worried. It’s something where we’re not intellectually able to distinguish. Our body perceives these insults, whether it’s your texting message buzzing every three minutes or emails coming in or your phone going off or the 40 things you have to do on your to-do list. Those things your body doesn’t distinguish as non-life-threatening stresses, so the same response your body has, and that creates huge wear and tear on the body.
There’s a great book by a friend and colleague of mine, Dr. Robert Sapolsky, called Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers. Why zebras don’t get ulcers is because they’re eating the grass, the lion comes and chases them all, they run like crazy, get enormously stressed. The lion catches one of them, they’re eating it and then the rest of them go back to the grass and they stop worrying because nobody’s going to eat them.
We just keep stressed all the time, and we don’t have a way of managing it and processing it and we don’t have the rituals and the customs in our culture that allow us to do that properly. We don’t have the friends and relationships and connections and friendships and social support that help us do those things, and so a lot of us are chronically stressed without that outlet and we don’t have a way of de-stressing. A lot of what I do In my practice is teach people about the methods and tools to de-stress, whether it’s breathing or meditation, or tapping, which I refer many patients to you. I find what is the right appropriate thing for them to help them unhook from the chronic stress.
Nick: You mentioned in your list of things that contribute you said chronic stress, and also you said love and meaning in there. That’s not something that you hear from many doctors. What does that have to do with our health?
Mark: The biology of love is fantastic. Anybody who’s fallen in love knows that most of their physical problems go away as soon as they fall in love. They sleep better, they’re happier, their weight loss happens. It’s pretty amazing what happens. When we have that connection it’s like food for our biology. There’s been amazing studies on monkeys where they’ve taken monkeys and had them have exactly the same diet and environment except for one thing, one had a connection with their mother and the other they took away from their mother. The ones that had no physical connection with other monkeys or their mother looked old and wizened and sick and withered, and got much more ill more quickly than the other monkeys even though they had exactly the same diet and lifestyle. So just that ingredient is really critical.
Nick: We’ve talked about childhood trauma off-camera, and how that contributes to disease. I think in one of our first initial conversations, it was like, okay, what can we do to use tapping on childhood trauma and how that contributes. That’s what that study has shown. When we first met you had heard about EFT, you had heard about tapping and hadn’t experienced it yourself. But I challenged you. I said give me your hardest patients, and you gave me your hardest patients. I was like, “Okay, I’ve got my work cut out for me here.” Let’s talk about one of them. It’s okay that we share her name because she’s been public about her results. Her name is Paula. Tell me about your experience with Paula, and then I’ll chime in on what happened.
Mark: Paula is the sweetest woman I’ve ever met. She had so many different physical health problems, her headaches and her hormones and digestion and fatigue. She had a very constricted live where she couldn’t go out, she couldn’t function, she could barely eat anything and her life was very much sort of in a bubble. It’s interesting when I see patients, because many patients come to me and many of them can have exactly the same problem. Some I just do a few little magic tricks and they get better and others don’t. When they don’t I realize that there’s something deeper going on. There’s another layer.
I had a long talk with Paula and I took some time and I said, “What’s really going on? Tell me your life story. What happened way back when?” Her sister had died and she got to take care of her nephew and raise him. When he was a young man he killed himself, and it destroyed her. That trauma was buried in every cell of her body and she couldn’t get rid of it. So I thought of you. I said, “We can handle this.” It was amazing. She did the tapping and she had that release, the emotional freedom from this trauma that she had buried in her tissues. She became liberated. She became pain-free. She was able to function and have a life. It was extraordinary. We went on a trip together. It was just really amazing to see her emerge from that.
Nick: You saw her afterwards on the trip when she was pain-free.
Mark: I did.
Nick: She had migraines for 11 years I think it was, was on all sorts of meds. You see it again and again with pain medication where you get to the point where it’s not doing anything, but you can’t stop taking it. Now you throw the sleep meds on top of that that she was taking to try to fall asleep, yet she wasn’t sleeping. So it’s like got pain meds, got sleep meds, not sleeping, in pain. What’s going on here? We worked together. We worked on that childhood trauma. I think one of the challenges with chronic diseases like this is that there are so many layers to it. First we worked on the pain. We worked on childhood trauma. Then we worked on the physical pain. Then on the psychological dependence on the drugs, the expectation that I’m going to need this, the expectation that I’m going to need this sleeping pill in order to sleep.
Then the detox. You know about detox from those drugs. It’s very difficult, and we use the tapping to release those symptoms, so when the nausea came up and when the fear came up and when the desire to go back to that. Then there are the things that changed where, “Well, now my life is so different. Now I have to go see my friends that I couldn’t see before because I had the headache as an excuse. Guess what, I don’t really like that group of friends.”
Mark: It was a good excuse. I liked my headache.
Nick: It was a good excuse, exactly. There are so many layers to it. What I love about tapping is that it helps to unravel those layers. You can do it with somebody like me or another professional or you can do it by yourself and have that experience.
Mark: It’s essential for healing. There are three things that are critical for healing. It’s what you eat, and eating real fresh whole food. I was at a restaurant the other day, it was in New York. It was hysterical. The guy asked for Coke and the waiter wouldn’t give it to him. He says, “I’ll give you anything else that’s real, but I’m not giving you that because it’s fake food. High fructose corn syrup is going to kill you.” I’m like great, love this.
Nick: The waiters are stopping them right there. They’re the front line in health.
Mark: I was like, “This is phenomenal.” The second thing is moving your body. We’re designed to move, walking, exercise, play, your bodies have to move to be healthy. The third thing is learning how to reset your nervous system through relaxing and through dealing with chronic stress. There are so many phenomenal tools to do that, but tapping is one of the most direct and powerful ways to peel those layers away of chronic stress. They’re very effective for very difficult problems.
Nick: Absolutely. You talked about in 10 or 20 years it’s becoming mainstream, this way of thinking. Tell me some good news about the future. What are you seeing happening that’s changing? You’re on the front lines, like I said, testifying in front of Congress, really working and getting this information out. When you look around it seems like some good things are happening and some bad stuff. Give me the good news.
Mark: Today I saw a patient who is on the board of the Brigham & Women’s Hospital. She’s had a health problem that she’s seen the top doctors and they donate a ton of money to the hospital. So they have top tier here, access to anybody and she wasn’t really getting better. She had all sorts of side effects with the treatment. She went to one of the head doctors there, a guy who’s in charge of one of the top departments, world famous guy. She said, “What do I do? I want to see the guy here. I want to work with Dr. Hyman.”
He said, “Oh, Dr. Hyman is going to help you figure out the cause. You’re going to kind of need to work with both for awhile, but you should definitely pursue that.” Coming from a top guy at Harvard who’s realizing that the future is not exactly as it was.
Nick: So you’re not a quack anymore.
Mark: Not really, I guess. It’s interesting. How many patients of mine are doctors? A lot of my patients are doctors because they recognize that you don’t know everything in medicine. There are many different ways of approaching problems that work better. Another patient of mine had, another woman from Harvard, had anaphylaxis. She had died twice because she stopped breathing. She had horrible hives and rashes. She was on 42 different pills for her asthma and allergies, just everything. Had seen the top immunologist and allergist at Harvard and was still not better.
Came to see me and within six weeks was off all medication, completely symptom-free. The doctor there was, “Great.” He’s like, “Hey, there’s something here. I’m going to start checking it out and sending patients. Maybe I’ll go to the course.” Things are shifting and I see that happening. In 20 years I think people are going to recognize that our method of thinking about disease is wrong and our way of diagnosing disease is wrong. It’s not based on these underlying connections between all the systems in the body. The body’s really integrated whole.
Nick: I think what we have going for us most in trying to change this is the fact that the other things are not working at all. People are sick and tired of being sick and tired, so they’re looking for other solutions. What else can I do to modulate my stress, to find better food and to have a better life experience? We’re looking at health here, but at the end of the day it’s not quality of life.
Mark: I use all the tools at my disposal. I use surgery. I use medication. I use diet. I use supplements. I use herbs. I use tapping. I find what’s the right approach for this particular patient, and if it’s getting to the root cause. That’s a very different way of thinking.
Nick: Mark, this has been very enlightening, as always. Thank you so much for your time and we’ll talk soon. Thanks everybody, see you soon.