Interview mit Dr. Bruce Lipton über das Leben und EFT
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Interview with Bruce Lipton – Cellular Biologist
International anerkannter Stanford Wissenschaftler und Autor weltweiter Bestseller
Bruce Lipton is an internationally recognized authority in bridging science and spirit. He has been a guest speaker on dozens of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national conferences. He received his Ph.D. Degree from the University of Virginia at Charlottesville before joining the Department of Anatomy at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine. Dr. Lipton’s research on muscular dystrophy, studies employing cloned human stem cells, focused upon the molecular mechanisms controlling cell behavior. An experimental tissue transplantation technique developed by Dr. Lipton and colleague Dr. Ed Schultz and published in the journal Science was subsequently employed as a novel form of human genetic engineering.
This is Jessica Ortner and I want to give you a big welcome to this very special Tapping World Summit bonus. In 2007 we were thrilled to have the opportunity to interview Bruce Lipton for our film The Tapping Solution. This audio was never meant to be released to the public, which is why I don’t have a microphone on while I’m asking my questions, yet we found Bruce’s information so eye opening, that we still wanted to make this audio available to you. We found Bruce so interesting in fact, that we didn’t stop asking him questions and we ended up missing our plane ride home. Enjoy the audio.
Bruce Lipton: My name is Bruce Lipton. I’m an old guy. I grew up in Westchester County, NY and in my youth I started to realize that seeking truths about the world – I heard lots of interesting truths from so-called spiritual people, but then saw their lives never matched their truths and then as I started to get older realized that science was where I would go to find my truths about life and so I was not a spiritual person at all. I got into the science and was of course ingrained with the conventional beliefs of Darwinian biology and genes control life and genetic automatons, biochemical machines… all that kind of stuff. And I had the great fortune of getting my PhD at the University of Virginia under a brilliant scientist by the name of Irwin Coningsburgh and he was one of the first people to clone stem cells.
So I actually was doing stem-cell cultures in 1967, so that’s 40 years ago. People think, stem-cells are this brand new thing. It’s like, no. Stem cells have been around for a long time, except, very exclusive club studying them. The beautiful part about my stem cell research is that as I started to do this and I was cloning genetically identical cells, I started to realize that if I would take these genetically identical cells and put them into separate petri dishes and then change the environment in those dishes, that in one dish they will form muscle and in another dish they will form bone, and in yet a third dish they would form fat by changing the conditions. You stop for a second and realize, wait. They were all genetically identical, so what is it that controlled why they become muscle or bone or fat, and the answer was very obvious, it was like… information from the environment.
So this started to lead me on a different trail than all my colleagues who were getting focused on the genome and you know, building up the background to create the genome project while I was doing this. So I was taking the road less traveled at that time. I was looking into the role of how the environment influences the expression of cells while everyone else was looking at how genes control cells, and yet, my papers were published in very prestigious journals and the results were very clear. It wasn’t even ambiguous. It was that the fate of the cells was primarily determined by the environment that the cells find themselves in.
So when I published this, I was of course very excited by this and found myself to be a very small crowd of one in my community because I had violated, violated mind you, what is called the central dogma. The central dogma is the pillar of modern biomedicine today. It was a concept that was coined by Francis Crick, one of the co-discoverers with Jim Watson of the DNA double-helix. And the Central Dogma simply says this, and you’re very familiar with it… it’s that the flow of information in biology goes from DNA to RNA to protein. And this is established in all the textbooks. It’s still in all the textbooks at this very moment. So it says that information flows from DNA down. And therefore since your body which is made out of protein and the proteins are coded for by the DNA, then we have bought the belief as the dogma says that your fate and your lot in life is determined by the genes that you receive at conception.
So we become victims of our heredity in a sense if you understand it from this point that you didn’t pick your genes and you can’t change your genes, and since your genes control your life, then you’re a victim to those particular genes. That is the message that conventional science has been teaching and the issue is that that’s totally false. And I loved it because not only did my research on these cell cultures, stem-cell cultures reveal that, but I also did other research that was based on experiments from over, almost 100 years ago where a scientist – an early cell scientists were removing the nuclei from cells. And the nucleus is where all the genes are.
And the beautiful part about that is that you can remove the nucleus from the cell and the cell doesn’t stop and life doesn’t end. Cell life goes on doing everything it did before. Coordinated function of breathing and eating and moving and dealing with the environment and all this kind of stuff. Without genes. Many cells can live for two or more months without genes.
So you look and you say, “Wait, if the cell has a life and it’s coordinated and it’s not random, it’s coordinated expression, then the genes cannot be controlling it if the genes aren’t even in the cell. This is where my research started to say, “Okay, I’m familiar with the fact that the environment is influencing us, but we didn’t have a mechanism or pathway by which environmental signals can control gene activity.” That become the focus of my research.
At some point, finding now that I was a heretic because I was challenging the Dogma, which is funny as a side bar here. The Central Dogma is the actual name of this belief. And it was interesting because when I got out of medicine and I actually looked backwards and I said, “You know, I never really looked up the word ‘dogma’.” And I looked it up in a dictionary and I was shocked because the definition for the word dogma is: “A truth based on religious persuasion and not scientific fact.” And all of a sudden I realized, Oh my God, the central fundamental belief of biomedicine is a religious belief, which it was, and is, because it wasn’t based on scientific fact, it was just based because everybody believed that this was going to happen so they just jumped to the conclusion. And so challenging the “Dogma” officially makes me a heretic and what was called science by definition now was more religion.
So I didn’t mind being a heretic in the religion called materialistic science which is where I was practicing. So I left the field. Walked out of the university, did strange things in my what you would call my “mid-life crisis.” Not only did I drop my career and all that stuff, but I actually went on the road and produced a Rock ‘n Roll show and lost all my money. I had a great time, and brought a musician to the world which is interesting. His name is Yani, and I found him as a PhD student andsaid, “Why are you wasting your time doing that when you could play music.”
So that was part of the road show, but I was fortunate because during that time when I was out of the university, I had a lot of free time and I started reading into quantum mechanics. And once I started understanding quantum mechanics, my life had a very profound change to it for a very simple reason which is this: quantum mechanics or quantum physics is the science of physics and as the name said, quantum mechanics/quantum physics – physics and mechanics are synonyms.
So what is physics? It’s the mechanisms by which things happen in our universe. The important part about this is that the mechanisms as I had studied it and as all my colleagues in the medical school had studied it, so as you understand the terms, quantum physics and quantum mechanics or Newtonian physics and Newtonian mechanics what you see is that physics and mechanics are synonyms.
So physics really means the mechanisms by which the universe operates, and the new physics, quantum physics was something that I really wasn’t into nor were any of my colleagues in the medical school. We were all trained in Newtonian physics. And the difference between the two is very profound. Newtonian physics says the world that we live in, the universe that we live in is a machine made out of mechanical parts. And if you want to understand how it works, take it apart, study the pieces, change the pieces, change the operation. That’s the basis of medicine.
We look at a human body. It’s a machine made out of physical parts. When it’s not working right, change the parts by applying chemicals and drugs. And that’s the way that conventional medicine operates. When I started to read the quantum physics, I realized, Oh my goodness, the whole foundation of the universe is not based on the mechanical/physical universe, it’s based on the invisible energy called “the field.”
So let’s say, if I hold a magnet right there in front of you, you can see the magnet, but what you can’t see is the invisible magnetic field. And so what it says is that while we are physical things in our world like physical bodies, we’re immersed in fields, electromagnetic fields, magnetic fields itself, all kinds of fields like telephone, cell phone fields, television fields, radio fields. Whole ranges.
What is the difference between the Newtonian physics and the quantum physics is this: Newtonian physics focused on the particles. Quantum physics says, you want to understand why the particles take this shape. Then you have to understand “the field.” It’s the field that controls biology. It’s the invisible forces. There’s a great quote by Albert Einstein. It’s simple. It goes, “The field is the sole governing agency of a particle.” In other words, in the world of invisible things, fields and particles matter. It’s the field that gives shape to the matter. And this is the basis of quantum physics. This becomes relevant and says, “Okay, here’s the physical particles of my body. Why are they in a healthy state or why could they be in a sick state?”
That’s the physical expression, and the answer is that to understand that, don’t look at the body, you have to understand the invisible forces and the field. It’s fun.
Because if you think about it, of course when you were younger, at some point you must have had like iron filings and sprinkled it around a magnet and all of a sudden you saw the iron filings formthat pattern of the magnetic field… Well, quantum physics would look at this pattern and try to explain how come all the iron filings fell in this pattern without recognizing that the fields exists. In other words, can you explain why the iron filings have this shape if you don’t recognize that there’s a magnetic field and the answer is absolutely not. What’s the nature of it? The body and it’s cells are like iron filings. Medicine is trying to understand the nature of the body by looking at the iron filings.
And quantum physics says, “If you don’t understand that invisible field, you can’t ever understand what’s happening in the body.” Then you say, “What does this field constitute?” Well, what is called the matrix which is an interesting word because Knox Plank, one of the founders of quantum physics talked about this invisible shaping field and gave it the name “The Matrix” and that of course has been used in the movie, and in fact, people have talked about this matrix. Some people have referred to it as The Divine Matrix.” My friend Greg Braden who wrote a book about that meaning, not only is this the invisible field, the energy field, but it is the equivalent to many people what is God and Spirit.
Invisible forces, whether you use the physics context and talk about the invisible forces as fields, or uses spiritual contexts and says the invisible forces are spirit, the spirit and field at least represent the same thing in modern science. So science is bringing the spiritual concept of invisible forces into play into the physical world. That was left out by Newtonian Physics. Now the problem – conventional allopathic medicine is completely locked into Newtonian Physics. It doesn’t even bring the mind into the concept of healing, which is interesting because they actually in the medical education, medical students get about 15 minutes in their entire academic career of the thing called the placebo effect. And the placebo effect is simply the mind can change the character of health.
In other words, if you believe that this drug is the miracle drug you’ve been looking for and you take it, your mind believing it’s the miracle drug can heal you while the drug itself was nothing more than a sugar pill. And now there’s established fact. 1/3 of all medical healings are due to the placebo effect. That becomes very important. Now comes well, we left something out of the picture in the education. Not that it’s not a picture in the research, but in the education it says, “the placebo effect is when you have positive thoughts and it generates a healing response.”
What they don’t talk about in the books and in the general mass media is something called the nocebo effect. The nocebo effect is the same as the placebo effect, except that the thoughts are of a negative nature. And what’s the point? It’s thoughts that are powerful whether they’re positive or negative and while we give attention to the positive thoughts called the placebo effect creating healing, what we know and what we don’t talk about is that the negative thought which constituted what is called a nocebo effect is as powerful as a placebo but in the opposite direction. So a negative thought can not only make you sick, a negative thought can kill you and in much the exact same power and using the same mechanism that a positive placebo thought can heal you, and this becomes important because psychologists tell us that 70% or more of our thoughts as conventional people are negative and redundant, meaning that every day 70% of people’s thoughts are actually taking health away from their lives and actually bringing less quality to their lives and they don’t count it because it’s just that little thought that runs in their head, and yet scientifically, it’s the equivalent of the placebo effect but backwards.
This has to come into medicine, but there’s an unfortunate part about medicine and that is that medicine is not really the free avenue of research and investigation as we think it is. It is controlled by money and unfortunately, this is where the pharmaceutical industry has undue influence and keeps us from looking at healing that does not involve chemicals and drugs. Only for the simple reason is this… pharmaceutical company makes money by selling chemicals, if we talk about how you can heal yourself with your mind, then that product doesn’t sell very well.
And there’s a parallel here because let’s look at the very obvious. We live in a world where there are many other forms of providing energy besides fossil fuel. Many of them are very efficient and much more effective. Where are they? The answer is that it’s not in the interest of the oil companies to support free energy sources of power, and it’s the same thing with medicine. It’s not in the interest of the pharmaceutical industry to support free energy healing and therefore, it’s a subject that gets no coverage except for like 15 minutes on a placebo and then dropped out of the system and yet it is the most important new understanding… and it’s not new because it’s 100 years old or more. It’s new only because we’re beginning to look at it in spite of the fact that drug companies don’t want us to see it.
Jessica Ortner: So you’re talking about positive thinking now. Do you think that positive thinking simply consciously thinking positive things, that that’s enough to really have a difference?
Bruce Lipton: The problem with the concept of the power of positive thinking is that people just think, “Oh, well, if I just have positive thoughts, then my life shouldn’t be affected.” And this is why positive thinking has a real bad rap in the public. And the reason is this: having a positive thought does not in any way necessitate that those positive thoughts will manifest themselves. And there was a piece left out. And if you don’t understand the piece then you’re shouting into the wind with your positive thoughts. Nothing is going to happen.
And the fact is this: When you’re having positive thoughts, you’re using your mind. The new biology reveals that the invisible force, that collectively we refer to as mind, that these form a field which shape biology. Here’s what’s important… Yes, the mind influences biology, but there are two parts to the mind that are completely different than one another, yet they work together. We can fuse them. We tie them together and yet they represent two entities working in two different fashions.
There’s the conscious mind and what is called the sub-conscious mind. Now here’s where – it’s very important – people have to know this – and here’s what it is: the conscious mind is our creative mind that is connected to our personal identity and our spiritual selves. That makes us all unique… or each of us has our own personal conscious mind.
But what becomes very significant is this…the subconscious mind is equivalent to a tape player. It’s exactly what it is. It records experiences and then plays them back. And so now let’s take a look and say, well, wait. There’s a thinking mind and then there’s the tape-player mind. And what’s different about them is very profound.
Let’s talk about the two fundamental differences first. The tape player – the subconscious mind – as an information processor, as an equivalent of a computer – is a million times more powerful an information processor than is the conscious mind.
So when you look at the power between the conscious and subconscious… subconscious is a million times more powerful. #2 – on a day by day basis, the subconscious mind runs our biology about 95% to 99% of the time. So while you’re having all these wonderful thoughts, that’s not the conscious – the conscious mind is not running the show. It’s the subconscious mind.
Then comes the issue… the subconscious mind’s got programs in it. Yes. And the subconscious mind is not evil or good. The subconscious mind is a tape player. As much as you can say, “Okay, here’s a tape player. It’s good or bad.” A tape player is not good or bad. The programs can be good, and the programs can be bad. So blaming the subconscious mind as a negative thing, that’s the first mistake. It’s a tape player. The programs that we got, that’s the source of the problems that most of us face. These programs could limit our abilities and take away our powers, which essentially they do.
The relevance about positive thinking is this: positive thinking is a creative thought that comes from the conscious mind. Okay. So I sit here and I’m going to have all these wonderful thoughts. I’m going to close my eyes and visualize all these wonderful things. Now stop and go back to the mechanical character of it. A) I’m having these thoughts with a little tiny processor called the conscious mind, and I’m competing with the programs that are in the subconscious mind.
So if I have a thought being healthy or being in a good relationship and I’m doing positive thinking, and at the same time I have acquired programs in my development that said, “You’re not as healthy as you think you are.” And “You’re not that good a person to have those kind of relationships.” Then look, I’m now pitting my positive thoughts against my programs and they’re opposite… But this one works on a little tiny processor, and this processor is a million times more powerful so right away it’s like, who’s going to win in that challenge? The answer: of course the subconscious is going to win.
But here comes the other part. While I can try to maintain positive thoughts in my life using my conscious mind, this conscious mind only operates less than 5% of the day. That says 95% or more of the day I’m operating from the other belief system. The point is do the math. How powerful are positive thoughts? And the answer is: unless the subconscious has the same programs and agreement as the conscious mind, the power of positive thinking will not work. It will not work because you’re competing against a much more powerful processor. Okay?
And this is the problem. And here comes… let’s add one more piece to the problem, then it really manifests the big problem that people in this world are facing today… and that is: the conscious mind/subconscious mind work together in tandem. Meaning: my conscious mind, as small a processor as it is, can run any aspect of my biology. I can run anything. I can run my heart beat right now for you. I can speed up and slow down my heart beat. I can change my body temperature with my conscious mind.
We used to think those were involuntary, that the body had a part of the brain that ran all of the things and your conscious mind only ran things like your muscles. That’s not true. We now know that people who are very conscious can control every function in their body. But here’s the problem… the conscious mind is a very small processor. The subconscious mind is a million times more powerful. You have to take care of your breathing, your heart beat, your digestion, all your functions, your immune system, your respiration, your digestion, excretion. Your conscious mind can’t focus on all that. So the nature of it is – the function of the subconscious is to carry out all the details and can carry out every one of the details.
We could be essentially unconscious, which most people are, and our lives look exactly the same. Why? Because once you learn how to get dressed, you know how to get dressed. Once you know how to drive a car, you don’t have to be conscious how to drive a car. You’ve already got the program. So everything that we learn in our subconscious mind becomes automatic behavior… meaning: it frees up the consciousness so the consciousness doesn’t have to be dealing with all the tasks.
Well when you free up the consciousness, then you have time for creative thinking.
But here’s the issue, and this is the catch, when the consciousness is not focusing on some job or some task, and let’s say it’s on the day-dream mode. It’s thinking about your vacation next week. You’re going on vacation and you’re thinking about the plans of your vacation in your conscious mind. Well, if your conscious mind is thinking about the vacation, who’s running the day to day, moment to moment life? The answer is the subconscious. But now here’s the catch… does the conscious mind observe the behavior as it automatically plays from the subconscious mind? And I go back to you and ask, “Where was your mind?” “It was thinking about the future.” Well, if it was thinking about the future, then it wasn’t paying attention. Right?” And the answer is: aha!
The nature of the trade off is the subconscious mind can run everything when the conscious mind is busy. If the conscious mind is busy, it’s not paying attention, and so when it’s not paying attention, it does not see the programs that are playing in the subconscious mind. To give you like an amusing anecdote about it: You know somebody and you know their parent and you realize that this person and their parent pretty much have the same behavior. And so you, in enthusiasm, you burst on the scene and you say, “You know, Mary, you’re just like your mom.” As soon as you say that to Mary, back away from Mary. Why? Because she’s not going to take this as welcoming news for her. She’s going to say like, “How can you say that?” To her she’s not like her mom at all. And the issue… what’s interesting is that… the joke is “Everybody else can see that Mary’s like her mom,” But Mary can’t. Why not? The answer is: because when she’s playing the programs which she got from her mother which are in her subconscious, she’s playing them because she’s not paying attention and so when they play, she doesn’t see them, so she’s surprised when people say she behaves like her mom, even though that’s what her life is all about.
Now the conclusion of why all this dialogue and why was it so important? And the answer is this: that we do not see the subconscious when it plays. The subconscious has programs in it that we primarily got from other people in our development. And the significance about that is that if we are operating from the subconscious mind and not seeing it, then we’re also not seeing that we’re playing programs that may not be in any way supporting who we are and what we want. The programs, those, are in the conscious mind.
So the idea is: when life doesn’t work, when you don’t find that relationship that your positive thinking was looking for, when you don’t get that health that you were looking for because your positive thinking was asking for it… we have a tendency to blame the outside world because, as far as I know, my intention was for all of these wonderful things. And when I don’t get it, it can’t be me, because I have all these wonderful positive intentions. What we didn’t see was while we were having those positive intentions, using our conscious mind for those positive intentions, the subconscious was running the show. And we didn’t see that we generally sabotage and destroy or limit our own lives with behaviors that are not supporting us.
And why this is important is because, and we all generally cop the attitude that there are forces outside of me that control my life and I am a victim of this world and I can’t do anything about it as a victim. As soon as you buy that, you are a victim. And the only problem was that it was your own subconscious programming that led to the life that you have. And if you can understand that and then try to work with it, then you can change your subconscious programming and change your life.
Now comes the problem. And the problem is: we also bought this and it’s not true – that there’s somebody in the subconscious meaning – if my conscious finds my subconscious engaging in some behavior that’s not supporting it and my conscious is talking to myself and my conscious is saying, “Bruce, that was stupid. You can do better than that.” And you’re having this inner dialogue and you’re talking to yourself and being very upset about the fact that your behavior seems to be out of control… who are you talking to? And I love this because the reality is that we’re thinking we’re talking to ourselves and that’s going to fix something. What’s it going to fix? Well the programs in our subconscious. And here’s where the problem lies… the subconscious is a tape player. There’s nobody in there.
The same exact truth holds in this case. Get a tape player. Put a cassette tape in it. Push play. The program’s running and you don’t like the programming, so here’s what I want you to do. Go up and talk to the tape player. Go up and talk to it. Suggest that it change the program. Even tell it what you want it to play. Do all this and then you realize that the program still plays. It doesn’t change. And then you get more upset with yourself. Why? Because you’ve asked this program to change. It’s notchanging yet. Then you get mad at yourself. You start yelling at yourself, and now you’re berating yourself because you can’t control the tape. Then that doesn’t work, and of course, the last step is that you have to bring God in because obviously you tried to change your life and it didn’t work so only God has to come in here now and change the tape. And the joke is, how much talking to a tape player does it take before the tape changes? And the answer is you can talk til you’re blue in the face and it will not change.
It’s not that you can’t change the tape, but you have to learn how to push the record button. And then you can record new programs in the subconscious. But our old belief system, like conventional psychology, let’s go over and find out why my life is this way. Oh yeah, my mom did this to me. And my dad did this. And my friends did this. And now I make a whole list of all the reasons why my life is this way. I’m very clear. My conscious mind’s got… “Oh God, I can play that movie. I can see it.” And the question is now that you’re aware, did it change the tape player? And the answer is no. And that’s why people get so upset. They go through all of the psychology counseling and stuff. They know all the reasons. They still have the same life. So the issue is: you want to make change, then you have to learn how to engage the tape player in record mode and not just talk to it.
Jessica Ortner: What would be great is to kind of hear a little bit how that whole feeling of letting yourself listen to what’s going on. It seems like when you do EFT, that’s a big part of it… this is what’s going on… If you can kind of talk about that and refer to how that works with EFT.
Bruce Lipton: In our subconscious mind, what we have are these programs that we’ve acquired. And many of them are not very supportive, okay? And as I mentioned, that psychologists reveal that 70% of our thoughts are negative or redundant. It’s almost as if you’re sitting at the traffic light and you’re waiting for the light and these thoughts are running through your head. If you start to listen to them, for a moment, stop and be analytical and listen to these thoughts… and you’ll start to realize that you’re saying things… “Oh, that won’t happen.” Or, “I’m not that lucky. I can’t get that.” “Oh, she won’t pay any attention to me.” These are thoughts and then realize that since these thoughts are programming the biology and these are the thoughts that are just running like a faucet from your subconscious mind, you’re actually hearing what kind of beliefs you’re dealing with.
And the first level of really owning the power over your life is to listen to these thoughts. Because if you listen to them. You’re going to have to stop and say, “My God, if I listen to all these thoughts, of course my life is not pretty.” And once you own that these thoughts are important and you can hear these thoughts, then you have access to say, “Well, wait a minute. I decide not to… I don’t want to hear that thought. I want a different thought.” And that’s when your conscious mind steps in and says, “Give me the driving… give me the wheel.” Because the subconscious has been driving the vehicle all this time and most of us think our conscious mind is like a back seat passenger watching this car go out of control from the back seat screaming directions to the front seat and the driver’s not paying any attention. And that is because the subconscious is the driver until you own the responsibility to sit in the front, put your hands on the wheel and drive the vehicle yourself.
The moment you do that, you have power. If you don’t do that, then the subconscious is running the show. Then you might say, “But that sounds really hard and it’s really difficult.” It is difficult and hard. But guess what! I love this. Most people in their lives at some point did this with such amazing success that if you give them a chance to think back on it, they’ll immediately go back to that period called falling in love. And what does falling in love have to do with it? And the answer is this: Think about this.
You’re running your life, as I said, 95% or more from the subconscious. I say, the day before you meet this special person that comes in your life, “How long did it take you to get dressed?” You say, “Oh, about 5 minutes. I got my clothes on and I was out of the house.” I said, “How long did it take you to eat?” You said, “Oh, scarf down a burger, wipe my face on my sleeve. I was out of there in 10 minutes or less.” And then I say, “That’s really cool.” But now today you’ve met this person. And all of a sudden your heart just opened up and you’re just like, “Ah. This is the whole life for me. This person is this whole life.” And now you’re going to go on a date. How long does it take you to get dressed? Sure as heck more than 5 or 10 minutes to get dressed. It may take you an hour or two to get dressed. You go out to dinner, and I say: I bet you guess what, you remember every rule of etiquette and you use it. You use the right fork. You blot your face with your napkin. You talk without having food in your mouth. And all of a sudden, it’s like, wow! You’re running perfect.
What is the difference between that day when you’re going on this date and the day before when that person wasn’t in your life? And the answer is: once this person comes into your life, you want to be so sure that you represent who you are in your consciousness to this person that you’re not relying on the tapes. You’re watching yourself get dressed. You didn’t just get dressed. You’re making sure everything is right. The words that you say at the dinner conversation didn’t just get blurted out. You actually thought about the words before you said them. You’re creating this with consciousness rather than just playing a tape that you could have pushed the button in that conversation with the day before.
And all of a sudden you start to realize with this conscious, meaning looking back at yourself and not letting the mechanism run by automatic subconscious tapes, go back and think about that period of love. Why is it so exciting to people? You were your healthiest. You were your happiest. You were on top of the world. Everything was perfect in your life. Ten minutes before you met this person, you could have given me a whole list why everything was wrong. But once you met this person, you are now on top of the world. And then, you have to realize… well what was the different? The answer was that rather than relying on programs when you fell in love in that honeymoon period, you didn’t rely on the program. You relied on observation of yourself… being self-conscious. When you were self-conscious, all of a sudden, guess what. You didn’t make the stupid programs play that were programmed into you from before. You were in charge. And this was the beautiful part. This is called the honeymoon.
But then all of a sudden you have to say, “How come when I think about the honeymoon I have to go back?” “How come the honeymoon isn’t here?” You’ve met your partner 10 years ago. It was that exciting honeymoon period and today you have life. What happened to the honeymoon? And the answer is: at some point after the honeymoon is going on for a while, your outside life does come back in… your job, your commitment, your debts, your…whatever you’re working on…. All these things come back in. The moment they come back in, you have to think about them. Yeah, but what mind do you use when you think about them? The conscious mind. Well, the conscious mind is now engaged in thinking about your problems, then who’s running the show? The subconscious mind. And it’s fun because the first time this really happens in a relationship, you’re thinking about these issues in your life. Your partner, your love comes up to you, asks you a question, but this time yourconscious is really still dealing with the issues and you respond using the tape. Here’s a big surprise. To your partner, this behavior was never seen before because it was that tape that you never played. Now they look and they go, “HHHH what kind of behavior is that?” They don’t even now who you are. And they may even say, “I… I’ve never seen that kind of behavior.” But you as the person who just played the tape, remember, you don’t see the tape when it plays.
So now you’ve been accused of not being yourself and then you become very defensive and you go, “What are you talking about. I’ve always been this way.” Which is actually a fact… but you didn’t understand what the comment was about because you didn’t see the subconscious response. And that’s when the honeymoon starts to weaken. And as soon as your life gets back in and you start being self-conscious, is when you lost the immediate control over that healthy, happy, harmonious loving period that you call the honeymoon.
Jessica Ortner: So… you had talked a bit before when we first started, you were kind of explaining the energetic field and how it’s something obvious because of the magnets. And then you talked positive thinking… Can you kind of go into tapping itself and into energy psychology itself. So, What? We know that there’s this energy field, but do we actually have the ability to tap into it?
Bruce Lipton: The energy fields out there… our thoughts are the energy fields. So… can we tap into it? The fact is that if you’re tapping into your thoughts, then you’re already tapping into the energy field because the thought is neither material nor mechanical in the first place. And it is the energy field. These thoughts are very powerful.
Rupert Sheldrake, the biologist who talked about morphogenic fields and morphic fields talked about these invisible fields can be shaped into matter. Which is exactly what Einstein talked about. So you have to recognize that your thoughts are part of this field.
What’s interesting about EFT is that it is a process which really in some sense engages, like super learning. And super learning is the equivalent of pushing the record button on the subconscious mind. Meaning, we got our programming, our fundmental programming be… from the last half of fetal development through the first 6 years of our lives. And there’s a reason why this is a special programming part of our lives. And the answer is that our brain… when we look at the EEG, the electrical activity of the brain, that a child doesn’t express conscious as we know it, alpha waves, as a predominant brain thing until after 6 years of age. Before 6 years of age, their predominant brain state is in theta. But theta, which is the state of imagination, so when you go back and you realize that the kids less than 6 live in mixing the real world and the imaginary world, that’s the expression of their brain function.
But it also is important to recognize that theta is equivalent to a hypnogogic trance. That if I want to hypnotize you, I have to get you out of consciousness and drop you into like this theta place. And when you’re in theta, I bypass consciousness and the program goes into the subconscious, which is fine. Now stop and say, “But a child’s brain is in this theta, essentially up to the first 6 years of its life.” So the point is that our first 6 years, we’re not actually engaging in consciousness, we’re just downloading experiences.
Well, these experiences then we play them back as our life-characters and our life behaviors. Yeah, but you downloaded them from other people. So that you download your parent’s behaviors and they become your behaviors. But then again, as I said, as you get older, you don’t see this because they’re subconscious and your conscious rarely observes this.
So, we start to play these behaviors that really represent other people’s behaviors. And so when we’re not being conscious of ourselves, the behaviors that we play are not necessarily supporting us in any way. They’re most likely sabotaging us. Why? Because we acquired them from other people and this is an unfortunate principle of childhood development.
There’s a name for it in New Zealand and Australia, but it applies here as well. There, it’s called “Cutting the tall Poppy.” What it means is this: If you grow poppies… they generally grow up all to the same height. But every now and then, some poppy shoots up higher than all the other poppies. And so what the gardener will do is cut the head off of the tall poppies and when they talked about this in child development, they say this: That children are like these poppies. If some poppy, some child, expresses abilities greater or different than all the other children, the tendency is to cut their head off and put them back down to the average again.
So what do we acquire in our development? It’s that we’re just average people – that we have no extraordinary powers… that even healing isn’t one of our powers because when we were in that 0 to 6 year period, every time that we got sick, we were told that we had to go to the doctor to get healed. That’s an experiential program. So what does my subconscious mind learn from this experience? Every time I’m sick, I have to go to the doctor. Why? Apparently it’s the step before you get healed. So we build that into the program and then… which is interesting, is that we have an innate ability to heal ourselves. That’s what the placebo effect is all about. But, when we put in a program that says, “I have to go to the doctor before I get healed,” then what you do is actually stall your own ability to heal yourself until you go to the doctor. And the joke, many people get well on the way to the doctor without having any treatment.
And the reason is that they already had the ability to get well, but the program steps until you do this next step, then the healing doesn’t start. So we deprogram our ability to heal ourselves. And people hear from parents the things that are just common from family to family… “Who do you think you are?” “You’re not smart enough.” “You’re not good enough.” Whatever it is… “You’re not good at this.” Or, “You’re not good at that.”
These pronouncements to a child 6 or under are hypnogogic trances. So the important aspect is that you want to say why your life not be working in the way it is… it’s not because of what you’re thinking today, it’s because of the original programs that you got from 0 to 6. And it’s a fact now of science that the illnesses and diseases that we express as adults were primarily programmed into us in the pre-conception, the pre-natal and neo-natal phases of our lives. In other words, whatever programs we got in the first six years of our lives apparently control our adult health and our adult behaviors.
Jessica Ortner: How are they scientifically proving that?
Bruce Lipton: Well, much of this is just research that’s going back into… there’s so much epidemiological data and status of where people came from and what happened to them and there are so many other actual experiments. Things like studying what is called the “Grandmother Effect” where a women who were starved at the end of World War II, let’s say in the Netherlands because there was no food… when they had children, their children were essentially born underweight and a bit malnourished. And it turned out that the off-spring of these women who were born that way also expressed the same traits even though there was no issue there. What they started to find was that there is a lineage of things that are passed down as what is part of the new genetics called epigenetics, where environment shapes the genes. And this is the feedback of the new biology. It’s not the genes controlling life, it’s how the environment shapes genes that controls life.
Jessica Ortner: Going back, you talk a lot about the placebo effect. Now, what would you say to someone who sees energy psychology and EFT and says, “Well, that’s just the placebo effect.” Because he thinks…
Bruce Lipton: Great!! The placebo effect is great. No matter which way you get it. I mean, look. Let’s go back and there was a period where some people were selling what was called laetrile, which was some extract of apricot seeds as a cure-all for some particular cancer. A large number of people that heal themselves by this process were… there was a tremendous number of them. And then of course, they found that this laetrile wasn’t any more valid than a sugar pill. And everybody attacked the pill and the laetrile and all that, but they didn’t stop and say, “Yeah, but what about all these people who healed their lives because they believed in it.”
And today it’s a joke because much of medicine is exactly the same. Prozac – one of the biggest selling drugs on this planet… the drug company research revealed directly that Prozac is no more effective than a sugar pill in dealing with these issues. In the sense of the chemistry, Prozac has no real chemistry that deals with this issue. It is one of the best placebos on the market. And the reason is that most placebos are sugar or chalk pills. You take the pill, you just… it was the taking of the pill that actively engaged. But here is Prozac. It’s the equivalent of a chalk or sugar pill, but it has side-effects. It can feel good in your body. So it’s not even that you’re taking a sugar pill.
You’re taking a pill, which is the first step, but then you feel something… and that enhances the placebo effect and makes it even more powerful, because it’s like, “Well, I know it’s working, I can feel it.” And that is far better than just a plain sugar pill. So what’s the point? Medicine sells placebos and nobody yells at them for doing it, although it’s quite dangerous because those placebos have very negative influences to children that they’re prescribed to. But the reality is that it’s a guaranteed experimentally revealed placebo.
What’s the issue? I don’t care what it is, if I can get my mind to work for me, then I don’t care what you call it. You can call it the latest drug or the latest placebo. I don’t care which one it is. If it works, that’s what counts. And why are placebos better? And the answer is because they have no side-effects. And that’s… so I’d prefer to do the placebo any day of the week because the placebo was a real event.
And I said, one-third of all medical healings are directly attributed to the placebo effect and not the medical process. So, basically medicine is fraught with it as well. And I believe, personally, that that’s what we should be researching and not the drugs.
Jessica Ortner: So do you think that the actual tapping on meridian points can be a placebo effect and not have the effect but it works because you’re thinking positive things?
Bruce Lipton: See, I’m going to be more weird than most of your people because I’ll go back to the full bottom line. And the bottom line is perception and belief. And I don’t care what it is, all the other steps in between are like icons. You do this and now, “Oh, I did the step.” Because really, it’s based on the individual. It’s always been that way. But because we’ve been so programmed to devalue ourselves and dis-empower ourselves, that we look at ourselves as victims and frail biological entities, you know? We’re ripe for bacteria to eat us up and all these other things. It’s like, this is totally untrue.
So the issue is that we have to start from that belief and change these beliefs of who we are. We are profoundly powerful people. Look, you can walk across hot coals. You know?
A woman can lift a car off of an infant without thinking about it. Down south, Baptist fundamentalists of the Pentacostal faith work themselves up in a Jesus State and drink strychnine in toxic does to demonstrate that God protects them. They’re not harmed by the strychnine. I mean, you can walk across fire. You can drink poison. You can lift thousands of pounds. Where is the frail image come from? And that’s a belief. But the problem is that if you believe that you’re frail.. if you believe that you are susceptible… If you believe that you have a terminal illness… they manifest because that’s called the no-cebo effect.
Jessica Ortner: So then, what has been your experience then, if any, with energy psychology? I mean have you used it in your life and finding that it was…
Bruce Lipton: In reality, I of course, have used energy psychology, and most profoundly and effectively because my whole life has changed. Once I recognized that I had programs that were limiting me, then I realized that if I didn’t change those programs then I would be the victim of programs.
I found that energy psychology was one of the most effective ways to rewrite the program.
Because although there are a variety of different modalities, I think collectively all of them facilitate a super learning process, which enables a rapid rewriting of our subconscious beliefs. It’s actually the same state our brain was in when we were younger than 6. At that point when we were downloading programs. I think energy psychology puts that brain into that modality. And with that, modality means as easily as talking this new program into yourself, you are actually re-recording over your past experiences and putting new beliefs in. And as soon as you do that, then you operate from the new beliefs and not the old ones.
And I love it because it comes from the subconscious so you don’t even have to think about it. You just program what you want in, let go of it, go about your life, and all of a sudden, things show up. It’s like, how’d they get there? And the answer is: Well, the subconscious was working when you weren’t paying attention, but this time working for you made all the connections to bring things into your life to manifest what the program was. And that’s the function of the subconscious and that’s why it’s so profoundly important. It’s job is to take a program and make coherence between the program that’s in the subconscious and the life you’re experiencing. Which is good if you have good programs and is terribly toxic if you have programs that are not supporting you.
Jessica Ortner: Do you believe that the unconscious mind is actually just in the mind and that everything that’s going on with us is based…
Bruce Lipton: The unconscious mind is connected to every part of our physical body. It’s… our skin and our interior organs and everything. So the unconscious mind is reading every physical part of our body as well as what’s going on outside of our body. So the subconscious mind is this magnificently powerful processor reading both internal and external environments to the fullest degree. So it’s a reflection of its programs and its readings. That’s what it tries to do. It has programs. It reads the environment. And it tries to make coherence between the two.
Jessica Ortner: So then do you feel then that EFT-tapping is directly connected to the unconscious mind and that’s why it might be so effective?
Bruce Lipton: Yes. Because the skin is part of the brain anyway. So that’s where the brain came from, the skin. So that you’re really… like Braille… you’re talking to the body with Braille instead of words, more or less. There’s some feedback to this, but it’s really also tied in with the intention of the practitioner and the intention of the recipient, and the harmony that they generate together because that… it’s a working relationship. EFT isn’t done on you, it’s done with you. So you have to be a participant. And I think the issue is that a lot of people are so skeptical of things that they want things to be done to them. And it’s like, well, that’s the big problem.
You’re a participant in your life. You’re not a recipient of things. I mean, you have to participate. So, it really is… the people who are ready to get healed are going to be much more affected by this. The people who are just… “Oh, I’ll just do it because somebody said to.” That’s a different thing. They’re doing it not because they want it, they’re doing it for whatever other reason. So it’s important to recognize that not only is a practitioner important in the process, but the recipient of this healing has to be a participant in the process as well.
Jessica Ortner: So then, going off of talking about healing, if someone’s using some kind of… source of energy psychology to heal a physical ailment… for example, we have one lady who said that after tapping for 5 minutes, she had MS and she could start walking again and she could walk without any drugs for three months. Now, in that case, how do you explain to someone… someone might be a little bit confused when they think, well the body can’t heal itself that fast. Like, how can you physically get rid of a rash in a matter of seconds.
Bruce Lipton: Because our belief system of what the body was based on the Newtonian view of chemicals and chemistry then has time elements involved because chemical reactions take time and then you start to say, “all of this must take a lot of time.” So we buy that and that’s a given belief. Except the reality is as my research revealed, every cell is the equivalent of a programmable chip. Every cell, the nucleus is the hard drive with programs in it. The nucleus can form anything out of the human body. What the cell forms is based on what’s typing on the keyboard which is the surface of the cell, the environment.
So why is this relevant? How fast does it take you to change a program in your computer? And the answer is: Well, virtually instantaneously. And that’s why it’s called spontaneous remission. Once you change the field, it changes the programming of the system completely and the field shapes matter. A changed field provides for changed matter.
Jessica Ortner: You could go into a university and write some fundamental concepts that you wish you could teach. Could you tell us just kind of really basics and fundamental things that you believe is important for …
Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. I’ve listed what I’ve called the three assumptions of the apocalypse. These are assumptions that you can go to school right now and get taught these as beliefs like it’s written in stone. And they’re completely wrong. And they take us off track. The three assumptions are simply:
#1 – The belief that is taught is that biology in the world we live in operates according to Newtonian principles. Unfortunate part about that is quantum mechanics, 100 years ago said that’s obviously not true and physicists know this is not true, and yet, medicine doesn’t buy into it because it still focuses on the material reality and lets go of the invisible shaping fields that quantum physics emphasizes as primary. Okay?
So we have to change that belief system. We have to get people to recognize that the field and the thoughts and all these other things are as important as anything else in shaping the matter where we live in.
#2 – The belief which I blew away years ago, but it’s still being taught in school is the concept that genes control life. This is totally false. Genes control nothing. Control is an action. A gene is a blueprint. It is physically, literally a string with blueprint data on it. Why is that relevant? It’s interesting. Go to an architect’s office and the architect’s working on a blueprint and then lean over the architect’s shoulder and say, “Is that blueprint on or off?” And he’ll look at you and say, “Uh…the blueprint’s not on or off. It’s a blueprint.” Yeah, but… we talk about genes being on and off, like genes are turning on and genes are turning off. And the question is… genes are blueprints. They can’t turn on and off. There is no on and off. It’s just the blueprint. It’s a pattern.
What we have failed to focus on because we gave genes a character of self-actualization. That my genes decided to do something. Okay, now we’re victims of the genes. But it turns out that biologists know that this is not true. Biologists know that genes are not turned on and off. Genes are read or not read like blueprints. Then, all of a sudden it says, “Well, it’s not the blueprint that’s important.” If the blueprints were self-actualizing, an architect could go buy a building site, drop the blueprints off, come back two weeks later and a building would be there. That’s what we think about animals and plants… the genes are blueprints and they control all this. It’s like, No… the blueprints are important. I’m not saying they’re not. You’ve got bad blueprints you’ve got some problems going on here. But the issue is that it’s not the presence or absence of a blueprint, it’s whether the blueprint is being read.
But then you say, “Well who reads the blueprint?” And the answer is: a contractor.
And who’s the contractor? The mind is the contractor. The mind reads genes. The mind can change the gene’s readout. Here’s something that’s so blow away that most people can’t in their conventional world make sense of it because it’s like…aaah… it goes like this: The mind, through what is called apogenetic mechanisms can start with a single gene blueprint and create over 30 thousand different versions of products from the same blueprint. Thirty thousand different products from the same blueprint!!! All of a sudden you realize, “My God, you can infinitely vary the expression of the gene.” And the answer is: Yes.
And why does this become relevant to all of us? And the answer is: because many of us think genes control our lives. And yet we don’t realize that we modify the readout of the genes. So we could be totally healthy and our mind can cause cancer. Our mind can cause any disease… diabetes, anything like that. And what’s interesting is the flip side… is that some people come here with actually defective genes, and guess what… with their mind, they can rewrite those genes and make them normal.
The genes are not the limiting factor, it’s the mind.
The third assumption that is actually playing great havoc in the world today and is leading to a destruction of the civilization so it’s very profound… is our belief in Darwinian evolution. Now, before anybody goes nuts, I believe in evolution… and Darwinian evolution is a version of how evolution can occur. It’s a version that says that life is a struggle and that we compete in this struggle and that the fittest are the survivors. So we wake up and look at our world as not a peaceful, harmonious place. We look at our world as a jungle as a war going on and then it’s a dog eat dog world. You go out there and you have to go fight for your survival. So we believe that.
We operate our lives based on competition, trying to beat the other one out. When it turns out that the new understanding of evolution says: My God… evolution occurred, but it occurred via cooperation among all the living species. The biosphere that’s out here… it’s not just a bunch of random pieces thrown out in the field. It’s a cooperative, interactive, community. So all of a sudden you want to understand the nature of evolution? Evolution was based on cooperation not competition. So that our own human philosophy of competing for the struggle hasdone a couple of things.
1) It creates a struggle. Why? Because if you believe it, that’s the nocebo effect… then you will manifest struggle and say yeah… life is a struggle. I believe it and see, it is. And the fact is that then we become competitors in this and then we actually are beating back the cooperation and destroying the environment and this is the problem we face right now. The crises that we face in the world is that we look at the world as a bunch of collections of individual pieces and didn’t own the reality that the whole biosphere is one living, integrated community as a whole and based on cooperation… and we’re the elements on the outside that are like viruses destroying the community. And guess what? Nature is the living thing. Nature looks at the humans now as a parasite… as a pest. And nature is in the process of destroying humanity in this process. And why? Because we’re disrupting the harmony that was called The Garden.
So new thinking has to bring us into the reality and say that our beliefs of competition and warfare and struggle and survival completely missed the point. It’s really based on loving, harmony, thriving, community, cooperation… these are the words of life. All the other words are bringing us to the destruction that we face now.
The problem about the new biology is that most of the forces are invisible, therefore we don’t see them and therefore we cop the attitude that things happen to us and we’re not involved. In fact, what I used to close my lectures – years ago… ten – fifteen years ago… I come to the obvious conclusion that science revealed and that was simply this: when you understand the nature of this new biology, you recognize that you are personally responsible for everything in your life.
Well, I don’t want to tell you… no matter how much they loved the lecture up to that moment… as soon as I said that, you thought that I had just irritated a mob out there. They got all upset with me because of this answer. They would grumble… be very upset because that was the conclusion. And there was no other way to say it because that was the conclusion. I remember one day, one woman was so upset. She was crying. She came and talked to me after the lecture was over and her husband was with her. And she was so upset that she could not own the things in her life that she was responsible for. So… I tried to say… she wanted me to come up with a different conclusion. And I was thinking… but that’s the conclusion. And I got nervous. And all of a sudden it hit me and I said, “How about this…” and I said, “You are personally responsible for everything in your life once you become aware that you are personally responsible for everything in your life.” She actually smiled. And I realized, “Okay. This works.”
And the point is that if you don’t know about these processes, these mechanisms – you’re ignorant of these facts and then things happen to us… of course we don’t know what’s going on and what can I do about it? Nobody told me. But once you know, then you can’t go back and do that any more. You can say, “Okay, history… everything that happened to me up to this point, I was oblivious to. I was ignorant of… I don’t know. But from this point forwards, I’m going to take control. Now I own my life.” So the reality is that we must get people to own who they really are and how it really works. And this is the requirement of the new science. And it’s just slowly entering into the field because unfortunately, there are too many institutions that have made a very good living off of us being victims. And they have no real interest in seeing us gain our power, which includes the government, medicine, the church. Every one of these has essentially survived very well by disempowering us.
But in the future, it’s not going to be that.
Jessica Ortner: Just one, because you are for us… you are the science guy… so is there a way to prove that energy psychology works scientifically?
Bruce Lipton: Sure. The way to prove it very scientifically is just to the way any science experiment is done. You get the interpretation of what’s going on, then you do the experiment. Then you read the results. And if the results are consistent and line up with the experiment, then whatever it was going on in the experiment influenced the outcome. That’s the way all science is done. And this is why it’s so fun to me, because I’m involved with energy psychology. I see people change their lives all the time. And then my conventional scientists go: “Oh… That’s like… that’s fru fru stuff.” It’s like, “No, it’s real. These people have changed their lives.” And then because there’s not connection of how that can happen in their allopathic thinking, they’re not left with an ability to think of anything other than… “Well, that just can’t be.” Because they’ve made a very narrow limit on their belief system.
That’s why if we teach the alternate to the three assumptions, then the minds of the scientists and the researchers will be expanded wide enough to include these mechanisms which essentially are quantum physics. And they’re not versed in quantum physics. That I already know because I was there. And until you know that, you’re not operating on scientific principles. So just to tell you right now, conventional, allopathic medicine is not really scientific, in that it does not recognize fully the influence of the invisible energy fields in shaping matter. They do not fully own quantum mechanics as relevant to biology. And this is creating a big disconnect between real life and the science that they study.
Jessica Ortner: Where do you see… in 10 years from now… your message and what you’re teaching… how do you see it expanding?
Bruce Lipton: Well, what I’m teaching… I’m just one voice now. Although I started doing all the teaching and stuff in the 1980s and there were not that many people out there. The voice is being picked up by other people. People all over are talking about this. So I feel very, very secure that this new biology will be in place in about 10 years and when this is the every day thinking of people rather than, “Oh, that’s the weird stuff.” When it becomes every day thinking, then every day life will manifest the characters and abilities that are provided by this new energy psychology.
So I see the world profoundly changing and it’s going to do great changes in the way we treat each other… the way we interact with nature. It’s going to profoundly alter medicine. It’s going to be very different… the mind will be very much brought in to all healing – to facilitate it because we have innate abilities to heal ourselves… you know, tapping into it. It’ll change all aspects of life because when we become more conscious and we know who we are, then we’ll see how valuable and important we are as well as the environment that provided for us.
And in that case, all efforts to keep the environment as it was, because that was the environment that made us… as we destroy the environment, we destroy the field that was responsible for our presence. So as we destroy the environment, of course the issue of extinction comes up because the environment we’re creating is not the environment that provided for us.
The population isn’t ready for the direct healing. They need things to see it. Like, I need a pill or I need a fancy machine with a lot of LEDs on it. Now I’ve got some belief going here. If I just sat in front of you and said, “Okay, let’s heal now…” and you looked at me like, “What the hell’s this all about.” But if oh… we go through a ritual and do tapping and all that, it’s like… “Oh!” We went through a process. The process is very important because they can’t rely on themselves so they rely on outside kinds of things.
That’s my perception of it. It’s my perception of it because I’ve also seen over years people say, “Well, when I tap here, this is going to happen.” “When I tap here, this other thing happens.” And sometimes they switch the tapping, and it turns out the way… whatever way they said it was going to be, that’s the way it worked out.
And I think this is an unfortunate issue because we have no real… we don’t see the value in how powerful we are personally. And therefore, we put power outside of ourselves. And as long as we do that, we have to jump through hoops and things to manifest the things we want, when we would really own who we are, we could do it all right now. But the problem is that that education isn’t available. And that’s what we need to have.
Nicholas Polizzi: Can you give a layman’s definition of quantum physics?
Bruce Lipton: Up to the 1900s, our belief in physics was based on Newtonian mechanics which said that if you want to understand the universe and the operation of what’s going on, only focus on the physical, material reality. Don’t try to find anything in the invisible spaces. Leave that for religion. That’s actually what separated religion and science. Science said: we’ll focus on the material reality and we’ll leave the invisible reality to religion. So they called that metaphysics.
And the other stuff was called Newtonian physics. That’s the physical thing.
But in 1905, Albert Einstein published a series of papers. In those papers, he revealed something that had been recognized by earlier people like Mock’s plankton and other people at this time, other physicists… that there were things about energy and invisible things that were going on that may… that in some way influence physical matter.
It was Albert Einstein who actually came down and evolved the equations to reveal what we now know. And that is this: it’s that atoms are not like little marbles which is a Newtonian belief. Atoms are physical things, like… the term atom means uncuttable. To the Newtonian physicists up to this point, the atom was the smallest piece of structure in the universe… that there were different versions of atoms and that you assemble them in different assemblies… you get all different kinds of things based on the pieces of matter.
But, physicists started to recognize that maybe the atom wasn’t as solid as we thought it was and by 1905 when Einstein evolved his equation that revealed that inside the atom there are things that make up the atom, but the things that make up the atom are not physical. They’re like little energy tornados. Like little miniature little tornados. And they’re forces. And that these forces have the character of matter.
So let’s say that there’s a tornado out behind me… a big spinning tornado and I say, “Drive your car 100 mph at the base of that tornado and see if you drive through the tornado.” And you realize that no… the moment you hit the base of the tornado, it’d be like hitting a stone wall. And you say, “Yeah, but what was in the tornado?” And the answer is: there’s nothing in the tornado. What do you see? A lot of dirt and dust that got picked up in the storm, but filter out the dirt and dust and guess what? The tornado’s still there. What isn’t? It’s an invisible energy vortex. Has it got a force? Yes. It’s got a force. You can’t drive your car through it. It’d be like hitting a stone wall.
Take that tornado, shrink it down to infintessimally small and inside an atom are these little miniature tornados. An atom feels like matter, but inside of it is not anything but energy. And why does it feel like matter? Because those forces, you can’t put your hand through the atom like you can’t drive through the tornado for the same reason.
What appears to be matter when we look at ourselves are actually little energy vortices. Well the significance is this: If you want to understand how energy interacts, it interacts with other energy. But that’s the invisible stuff.
But Newtonian physics said don’t pay attention to that. And quantum physics says, “No. You have to pay attention to it.” So quantum physics reunites the invisible energy fields as part and parcel of the material world. And quantum physics says, “You want to understand that physical world, well, you also have to include the invisible stuff as well.” Conventional, Newtonian physics ignore the invisible. The new physics says, you actually have to know that invisible stuff because it provides the character to the other world. So there’s a change.
And yet, as I said, medicine is still locked into the old belief… the body is chemicals and pieces and matter and structure and you’re effected by other pieces of chemicals and matter, and quantum physics says, “No. you can change this much more effectively by just changing the energy in the field. Then all of a sudden, you start to realize when you’re doing energy psychology, you are changing the energy field and the matter corresponds to what happens in the field. So by changing the thoughts, changing the beliefs, which are not material, you in turn lead to a change in the physical expression. And that’s new physics.
Nicholas Polizzi: How does that translate into what’s happening in the stomach of an over-anxious mother, what’s happening to that baby during that period?
Bruce Lipton: When we understand the nature of the new biology, we switch from genes controlling life to the cells perceiving the environment and reading what was going on and adjusting its biology. And it makes a lot of sense. I’ll give you a simple level… I walk out the door right now. If it’s hot out, I read the environment and the sensory input from the environment causes my respiratory and my circulatory system to change so I start to perspire and cool off. I’m adapting to that warm. If I walk out and it’s cold, different signal. Change my biology again and start to heat up my body and change the whole thing around. So it says that my body adjusts to the environment because my body reads the environmental information and then goes back and adjusts the biology mechanism to respond to that environment.
This is the same for all cells. Whether it’s a single cell in a petri dish or whether it’s the trillion or so cells that make up a fetus. All cells read the environment. Now the fetus is adjusting its genes based on its environment. Then the question is: yeah, but what environment does a fetus read? And the answer is: it reads the mother’s environment. What does that mean reads the mother’s environment?
Well, here’s the interesting new understanding. In the old days when we thought genes controlled life, what was the role of the mother? To provide nutrition. Let the genes take care of the baby and the fetus will grow all by itself. All you have to feed it… that’s all you’ve got to do. So OB/GYNs, when a woman’s pregnant basically say, “Are you eating well? Are you taking vitamins and minerals? Are you exercising?” Why? Because those are the parameters that provide for better nutrition. And they say, well, that’s all the mother does because the genes are controlling the rest.
Now we know this is totally incorrect. The genes are responding to the environment. And now here comes the interesting aspect. Yes, the nutrition crosses from the mother’s blood across the placenta and nourishes the fetus. Now I ask the logic question. Is nutrition the only thing that’s in blood? And the answer is: of course not. In blood are emotional chemicals. In blood are the hormones and the growth factors and all the regulatory elements. Significance is that as the mother responds to her world and changes the components of her blood. If she’s angry, she has different components than if she’s happy. You know, whatever’s going on in the world changes the components of the blood.
So as she responds to the world, her blood is really a reflection of her response. But that blood crosses the placenta, and so guess what? The fetus is reading the mother’s emotions and characters and anxieties or whatever it is. It’s not getting the physical picture and the real words of what’s going on, it has the sensation of the feelings and the harmony and the disharmony and the chemistry and the fear and whatever it is. It’s in the chemistry. So the child, as it’s developing, is reading the environment as the mother is responding to the environment. And you might say. “Well, that doesn’t make sense.” Because no, no, no look. When this fetus is born, it’s going to live in the environment that the mother’s experiencing. So if the mother, like a head-start program, can relay information to the fetus about how she sees the environment, then the fetus can make all the necessary kind of adjustments before it’s born so that when it’s born, it fits into the environment.
So the mother’s characters, emotions and attitudes shape the child. It is a fact. A wonderful book, I think by a woman, Sue Gerhardt, it’s called Why Love Matters, and she talks about this like very early period in-utero to the first two years as where we form our emotional bones. Meaning that we now realize that a child’s personality and psychology is pretty much shaped by the first two years of its life, by the experiences that the parents are providing it because the parents see the world in terms that the child can’t so the parent acts as the interface, explains the world and its concepts to the child and the child lives off of those and the child is built into this part right now. So all of a sudden says – this period that we’ve written off as “oh, the child’s not there. She’s not fully developed and it’s just goo going and all that stuff.” It’s like, boy do we call that one wrong.
The child was downloading massive quantities of information and adjusting its genetics and a biology to what was going on in the environment… creating an individual with a psychology through these experiences. So if the mother is pregnant and she’s fully in love and in harmony, she sends beautiful harmonian messages across the environment of safety, security, happiness and love. But if the mother lives in fear of “How are we going to raise this child?” Or, “What’s happening in the world… I get nervous now. I am in a state of fear and protection.” Those signals cross the placenta and it changes the genetic read out of the child. It changes the physiology and the future health of that child.
So what we thought was this blank period where just the child was like in nowhere land, we have to recognize no, this is the ultimate programming of the child for the rest of its life. Therefore, it really is incumbent upon us to have much more consideration as parents as to what our role is. We’re not just feeding a child. We are shaping a child and the future generation.
Parenting is an important process, it isn’t “Oh, let’s have a baby and drop it off at a babysitter.” That’s completely misunderstanding the role of what parenting is all about. Parenting shapes the child and the child creates the future. So how we parent kids today will manifest as the future of our culture tomorrow and all of a sudden says, “I think we have some responsibility here.”
Jessica Ortner: Question. Just because I’m curious off of that. Would the communication between a child and a mother after the baby is born… you talk about it’s because the mom creates the environment… now is there another – is there still, because it just spent 9 months in the womb – an actual energetic connection between the two of them that they pass information where almostsubconsciously, not consciously creating the environment?
Bruce Lipton: Well, while the child is developing in utero, it’s directly linked to the mother’s physiology and her nervous system and the child’s functions and activities are conveyed to that mother. But what we now know that’s very interesting is that when the child is born, it still syncs its brain activity, its EEG activity to its mother’s EEG activity even though they’re not physically connected.
So if the mother is expressing some kind of behavior or character in her thought, that this can change the activity of the child’s brain immediately at this point.
It really reveals something that happens throughout life, but because we don’t count it and we don’t recognize it, we don’t pay attention to the fact that all of us are connected through our thoughts and our brain activity. I mean, it shows up mostly. It’s like, oh, if you haven’t seen somebody in a long time, you say, “Oh, you know, I was just thinking about Bill.” And all of a sudden there’s a phone call and Bill’s on the phone. It’s like you guys are all connected. We’re all connected.
There are experiments, even Amit Goswami the physicist in What the Bleep showed that when two people meditate on the presence of each being there with each other and they separate them, and they expose one to a strobing light that causes brain activity called an evoked potential – a real spiking, firing of the brain… that this is the guy who sees the light. This guy is just meditating being present with him. When this guy has the evoked potential, 50 feet away, this guy has the same evoked potential but never saw the light. And the reason is that we’ve become linked and harmonious and there’s more to us than this physical reality. There’s an energy shaping field that gives us the shape. And this is not focused, it’s a field, which means it’s everywhere.
So it becomes important for us to understand that just because we appear to be physically separated, it doesn’t mean that we’re not energetically connected which has actually been proven to be the case.
Jessica Ortner: Where do you see evolution then… I mean, if we keep evolving like this and becoming more conscious, do you think that it’s possible that people will get to the point where… for example, language isn’t something that we need to use anymore, or we’re not going to use anymore?
Bruce Lipton: Interesting thing about language that we have trying to communicate with each other is this is really strictly almost a human experience in a sense that other animals almost do have some degree of communication, but what has happened is that by focusing on language, we have disconnected from the other communication that every other organism on this planet is involved with. All organisms are connected to each other through the energy fields. They read what’s going on in the field. They respond to what’s going on in the field.
We do it too, but our conscious has always been diverted away from that. Like people when growing up will say, “Don’t go by what you thin, listen to what the person has to say.” Well, as soon you do that, then you’ve let go of the vibrations and why was that important? Because I can make up words and tell you anything, but my vibrations are my truth. If you could read my vibrations, then my words are not important. Do we read vibrations? Of course we do. I just love it. You get around a couple who’s been together for a long time and you be like a third party listening to their conversation, and you realize that half of the conversation you can’t make any sense out of the sentences. Like the subject and object are not even there. “Hey, do you want to go….” “Yes.” What? How? What? And the fact is that because they’re already communicating at this other level anyway. Aboriginals do this as a way of life. All organisms candorous way of life, we have to just go back and re-own what we had.
And that would be very helpful because if you could read the vibrations the way you’re supposed to, you’d never find yourself in trouble because as soon as you started to go wherever trouble was, you would feel bad vibes. And those bad vibes would be what the biology’s warning system is to everything else that doesn’t have language. When it’s bad vibes… go away!! When it’s good vibes, come close. And that’s basically the fundamental nature. If we read bad vibes, you wouldn’t be caught up in bad relationships. Simple.
Jessica Ortner: So. Going off that though, you also talked about in your book that you can’t simultaneously be safe and grow at the same time. So, do you feel that a lot of times, a lot of our fears, which may seem like their bad vibes if we’re trying to keep our selves safe from our bad vibes, where, we’re not letting ourselves grow. Or, if you feel like you don’t have to grow, we almost have to face those thing that… right… that make us…?
Bruce Lipton: In the biology of the cells, it reveals that cells can have two functional states that are like digital on and off. And these two functional states are growth and protection. They can’t be in both at the same time for the simple reason is this: Growth means to take things in. Protection means to wall things off. You can’t be open and closed at the same time.
So, it says then: Well, what state are your cells in? And the answer is: What are your perceptions of the environment? Because if you live in fear and concern and threat, then you’re telling your cells that we are being threatened. And in that process they start to shut down growth processes to prepare for protection process.
But then you say, “Well, wait. I’m an adult. I don’t need any growth.” And it’s like: “Aah.” Big mistake. Reason: Every day you’re using billions and billions of your cells. Like every three days your entire gut lining is replaced… the surface cells are completely replaced. You’re losing skin cells and hair cells and they’re just continuously being replaced. That’s called growth. So it says that you could be 90 years old. If I stop growth, within a very short time you will get sick and die because if you don’t maintain just the normal repair to make… to compensate for the billions of cells you lose every day, it doesn’t take too many days in a row before you start to get sick.
So the reality is, no matter what age you are, you need to be in growth. Because the moment you compromise growth, you compromise the ability of the body to maintain itself. And so it says that if we live in a world where we are being broadcast at with all fear and terrible things and our concerns about our survival are always in question, then this media alone by our interpretation can cause us to get sick.
And here’s a fact that’s like let’s face what it means. The pharmaceutical industry since 9-11 every year has made 20% or more greater profit than the preceding year. In five years, they’re making 100% more profit than they ever made before. Why are they doing so well? And the answer is: because we’re doing so poorly. And why are we doing so poorly? Because we’re living in fear.
And fear is causing us to shut ourselves down. And it is that process that causes the illnesses that we face in our world today.
Nicholas Polizzi: When somebody, let’s say somebody has arthritis and they don’t have any bone marrow left in their knees… we have a guy right now, who’s absolutely… he has cancer too… and we think they might all be related and we’re trying to work with him on it so he can get a lust for life again. Because he stopped wanting to live because he had to quit his job… he can’t walk anymore… so we’re trying to work on the arthritis. So he asked us… well that pain in there that you’re getting rid of, isn’t it telling me something about the fact that my knees don’t have any marrow between them so therefore their probably going to be grinding and breaking each other if I continue to walk on them? Is getting rid of the pain in certain situations detrimental?
Bruce Lipton: In our body, there is this wonderful dialogue between the cells and the nervous system. The nervous system sends information to coordinate the function of the cells, but the cells send information back about the conditions going on in the body. We call much of this information coming back, especially when it’s not working right. We refer to them as symptoms.
Now, what’s really important: symptoms are communications from the citizens in your body telling the brain, the government, “Hey, something has got to be changed here.” We, unfortunately have in our medical world today a belief system that healing is shutting off the symptoms. If I can shut off the symptoms or I can shut off the pain or I can shut off this or that, then I’m going to be better… If I take Prozac and all of a sudden I don’t think about anything, then of course all of my emotional problems are gone. The fact is… no you haven’t changed anything, you just shut off the symptoms.
Shutting off the symptoms is like putting masking tape on the dashboard of your car so you don’t have to read the gauges. We’re like, “okay, my engine’s overheating but I’m not paying attention.
The reality is: I don’t care if you’re paying attention or not. Overheating is going to destroy the system. So yeah, when you get feedback from the body, it’s very important to recognize that. It’s a message to you. So pain… for example, as someone else said… But there are issues where we’re going to have to learn that if we destroy something because we didn’t allow for its maintenance, then sometimes this pain, which was very useful in some part, is going to be a limiting device.
Because if you want to walk and you have no cartilage in your knee, it’s going to hurt. And yet the reality is that since you don’t have that cartilage in your knee, but walking is still important, then you have a choice… it’s sort of like… create a callus, like on your hand when you write and you hold your pen or pencil at some point, that’s an irritation when you hold it all the time. There’s some point there’s a callus and that will wall itself off. At first it started as a blister, which hurt. And then it became a callus.
Let’s say walking without cartilage in your knees… at first, it’s a pain and you need to pay attention that this isn’t right, but there’s a point where if you continue to do it, you will change the structure to accommodate this new behavior. So there are points where we must change… the signal coming up was “Not right,” but the signal going back is, “Make it right.” And in making it right, we can heal things. Now the question is, can you replace the cartilage? And the answer is: yes. But will you? Probably not. And the reason… because it’s the field that shapes matter. And we live in a field of disbelief where people do not believe that things can happen, that you can do miracles and heal your life. And so when people don’t believe that, it interferes with your ability to do the miracle.
So it’s really interesting because the miracles that we’re talking about, the beliefs…and I wasn’t raised in a Christian tradition but this is exactly what Jesus said. He said, “you can do all the miracles that I can do, even better than I can do, but you don’t believe it.” He said that you could renew your body with your beliefs. This was very important.
But now, just to show you why a person who doesn’t have the cartilage may not be able to grow the cartilage back, we’ll go back to another… I’ll paraphrase it from the bible because I’m not a bible scholar, but basically… Jesus could not do miracles in his own hometown? Why? He could do a miracle everywhere else. Why couldn’t he do it in his hometown? Because the other people in that town didn’t believe in him because they knew him as a kid. He was just plain old Jesus.
And the reality is that if the other people didn’t believe in the miracle, then the miracle cannot be accomplished… even by Jesus. So if I’m sitting here with my cartilage gone and everyone around me says, “Well, you can’t replace that. That’s not possible.” Then even if I was Jesus at that moment, I wouldn’t be able to replace that cartilage. Why? Not because I couldn’t do it, but because the other people didn’t believe me.
And this is why we really have to break open those limitations which represent our beliefs. And most of them are disempowering beliefs!